“I want to start — how did you get this job?” he asked Kushner, who was seated rigidly in an oversize armchair. “I mean, you have, like, the dopest job in the world — the secretary of everything. Does it bug you when they call it secretary of everything?"

“Yes,” Kushner responded, with a small smile.

Jones and Kushner have formed an unlikely alliance around the issue of prison reform, something that Jones frequently alluded to during his interview. In May, Jones called Kushner’s advocacy on the topic “surprising” and “inspirational.”